I grabbed my first copy in the book A training course in Miracles circa 2005. I had heard it referenced by many from the spiritual teachers I became into during the time and figured I will probably check it out. One of my first memories of reading this course was looking at a hospital bed while looking forward to x-rays on my small ankle from your skateboarding accident. Going reading the introduction, which said, “Nothing real might be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.” Sounds good right? Well I’d be completely brimming with shit basically said I had created some revelation, or really even any clue to what that meant. It sounded as well as esoteric however, therefore i please read on. Immediately after weeks, I put the Course aside because it was the same to reading a magazine coded in Chinese. I happily went back to reading my books by Ram Dass and Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche….At least I could understand many of them, or at best make believe when they talk regarding the subject.
Fast-forward to 2007. I used to be in the local library after i stumbled on an audio book called Secrets of the Immortal: Advanced Teachings from your Course in Miracles. I’d again be lying if I said I had created any revelation using this audio book, not because its content wasn’t sufficient, but because I downloaded it to my computer and never listened to it. Again, I went back to reading my others spiritual texts, now I’d advanced for the like of Ken Wilber & Sri Ramana Maharshi, definitely much harder to make believe understand what these were saying in conversation, however i tried.
One full year later, in 2008, i really enjoy seeing, I viewed my copy of the Course in Miracles and made the resolution i would certainly finally see clearly, and not only see clearly, but be aware of it! Well, I could point out that this time around I stuck with it, generally. I remembered the mp3 audio book I’d ripped to my library the previous year, so I uploaded it to my trusty iPod and began listening to it on various commutes. Tricks of the Immortal actually broke the program down within a comprehensive, yet user-friendly way that I could help.
About half way from the audio book I realized I didnrrrt know who I was listening too (damn bootlegged copies), therefore i returned to the computer and located out it turned out Gary Renard. That name really meant nothing to me during the time, nor did any of the other Course teachers like Kenneth Wapnick or Marianne Williamson, because not really a particularly popular spiritual path. Not because it is a strict discipline, or there’s dogma attached with it. If something, it does not take the complete opposite of that.
After completing Gary’s audiobook, I progressed for the first of his two books published by Hay House, titled The Disappearance in the Universe. I found DU (because it’s often referred to by it’s readers) and was literally engulfed from the time I started. Not simply that always break down the Course in a way that I can understand, just about all mentioned many contemporary issues, and exactly how they are often seen differently through the Course. I finished DU in approximately per week and picked up a duplicate of the Immortal Reality.
Your Immortal Reality really solidified my faith in Gary’s teachings as once i finished it, I’d virtually no problem reading and understanding A training course in Miracles. That isn’t to convey I don’t have by sitting with, and contemplate lots of its passages every so often, but without Gary’s work, my copy of the Course in Miracles would always be getting dusty about the bookshelf. Okay so what within the hell is often a Course in Miracles? Please read on to see! (*Note- I must reiterate that although A training course in Miracles is my personal, personal spiritual path, I, under no circumstances, wish to promote, or endorse it more than every other spiritual tradition, several of which have already been wonderful catalysts on my small spiritual path, i still are from to this day.)
The Gary Renard Interview PT I of II
TIS: How about we just get strait into it…In accordance with A program In Miracles (also referred to as ACIM), interviews you and I are performing at this time is surely an illusion. Can you explain that for the people not really acquainted with ACIM’s teaching?
GR: Sure. People can consider the universe of your time and space like a projection. Whoever has read my books realize that I prefer to see a movies, plus an analogy I prefer to make is this, I am going into the movie theatre and that i wish it to be genuine. The lights go lower and attention is diverted on the screen. When i start to focus on the screen, I might get sucked to the story, possibly becoming emotional, or even conversing with the screen. So I forget there’s definitely not anything happening there, that it is trick, an illusion, a sleight of hand. The American Indians use to state, “behold, the truly amazing mystery”. Well this course says “behold, the great mystery”, it also says “behold, the truly amazing projection”. It’s rather a projection coming from a projector, that is hidden. When you find yourself in a movie theater, you aren’t likely to look at the projector, you’re supposed to that would be that while keeping focused on screen, and that is what individuals are doing here too. They’re concentrating on the screen that we call life, plus they think it’s reality, but as the Hindu’s, Buddhist’s & ACIM says, it really is an illusion. The program further refines that concept into this being like a dream that we will awaken from, and it’s really that awakening this is the same in principle as enlightenment. It’s what Buddha meant as he said “I am awake”. He actually awoken form the entire dream of time and space.
Why don’t we say I’m in the theatre i wish to change what’s on the screen, not in the temporary way, but permanently. A way where I could really have something happen that will work. If I planned to change what was on that screen, it would not do me an excessive amount of good to go up and waste time from it. I would ought to do not forget that you will find there’s projector that’s hidden within the back, that i am not likely to consider that. Well, easily really need to change what’s on the watch’s screen in a permanent way, then not simply would I need to remember that there’s a projector, I’d also need to find it, and alter what’s within it.
If I were to do that, I might be dealing with the cause, rather than effect. I would be from the position of power because I’d do something that can perform permanently instead of only temporarily. It would give me real power since i can be working with the reason, rather than the effects, which is what are the Course teaches, which can be that it is course in cause, and not effect. What’s more, it says “seek to not affect the world, seek rather to change your mind concerning the world”. That’s because by visiting your head, you’ll the place that the projector is hidden, where this universe of energy and space is on its way from. What we’re seeing is originating from the projector which is actually hidden in the unconscious mind. I am not just discussing a person unconscious mind, which some people call the subconscious. I’m discussing the unconscious mind we all share. There’s only among us sharing this unconscious mind and that is the place that the universe of your energy and space is coming from.
So refer to it being being a movie you’re watching. The Course says you’re revealing mentally truley what has elapsed. Therefore it is already over as much as the Course is worried, and we’re just watching it. We presume however, that we are actually in it, and the way out, is always to change what’s within the mind based on the Course. It’s actually a different way of forgiveness than most of the people think about however, which we’ll enter into. What exactly that does, is it undoes it that I’ll call the “ego”. You can imagine the ego as the idea of separation, the concept that we’ve taken on he / she identity and existence which is somehow separate from its source.
Our experience now, is we’re separate, that this body personifies. The world thinks like we’re in bodies, and apart from others, along with our source, which can be God. So you can think about the ego since the notion of separation. Just what the Course as well as other great spiritual teachings do is because they undo the ego. That’s one thing taught to me by my teachers in The Disappearance with the Universe along with your Immortal Reality. They educated me in the program along with what it implies, using a huge selection of quotations as a result to indicate how it’s actually saying. They that in a way which i could go back and truly understand it’s teaching. On their second visit, my teachers said that we would definitely buy my first copy in the Course, i really did, also it made no sense if you ask me at all. It might as well are already developed in an overseas language. After seven or eight visits from them however, I could return back and read this course, and yes it actually made sense. After looking at that, I believed there were something there, and that it would definitely work.
So even though it took a long time to the book to become ready, I tied to it. It absolutely was a labor of love. I never knew If it can be published or otherwise not, or exactly what the reaction will be. It’s since worked out very well though. The one thing my teachers educated me in was that salvation, because Course says, is undoing. The main reason which is a brilliant approach is really because if you decide to undo the ego, which is the false you, in the event you could completely achieve that job, then eventually the actual choosing all that’s left. The true you is not regarding the universe of your time and space. The genuine you is what this course would call spirit, but the Course uses words differently than it’s almost common knowledge them. If the Course says “spirit”, it isn’t really discussing a solid idea of individuality. Most people think of spirit beeing the same in principle as the soul. You do have a soul and die, and there’s it that goes on once you, which looks suspiciously just like the body you just left. Well that’s still a solid idea of individuality and separation.
When ACIM uses the word “spirit”, it isn’t referring to something that is part of it, it’s discussing something that is likely comparable to its source, which is God. It’s discussing something can experience, and this experience is exactly the comparable to being God. In fact, the program describes becoming the awareness of perfect oneness, therefore it is an experience you will get, even while you appear to be here walking around in the body. The easiest approach to obtain experience is always to undo the ego, which leaves you in a condition of spirit. At some point, the Course states that the mind is the activating agent of spirit. So it is by selecting (which is where forgiveness also comes in) the way you think about people. We can choose to discover them as being separate bodies, and if carry out that, that’s how we’ll experience ourselves. As we think about them to be beyond their health though, then we’re doing exactly what the Course suggests, which is look past the veil, and overlooking one’s body. Eventually, we’ll arrived at experience our self to spirit, that is only if you consider them as being nothing more than God, but rather, as being everything.
There is not one speck of knowledge in the universe of time and space your unconscious brain is unaware of. It genuinely knows everything. It would need to have access as it’s projecting the universe of time and space, so that it would need to supply with the information that is certainly contained inside it. Now, one important thing your unconscious mind knows, is the fact that there’s only one among us. We feel we’ve six billion individuals, with numerous decisions to select from, and trillions of objects inside the universe of your energy and space. The simple truth is though, regardless how many times you may divide and subdivide, there’s really only one among us that thinks it’s here. There’s that one ego that thinks it’s separated itself looking at the source introduced with this personal identity and individual existence. There’s one ego that thinks it’s here, and you are clearly it, it’s not somebody else, there isnrrrt anyone else.
Any devices ‘s what the Hindu’s call the joy of multiplicity. It’s literally a sleight of hand, a fantasy. So we’re tricked from this thing, I’m calling the ego, as there is something and we don’t learn about it. The ego likes this idea of separation. It really wants to keep it going, since it feels important & special. It’s like Jesus’ prodigal son story- he leaves his fathers house, going off on his own because he thinks the guy can fare best, which ends up being an oversight. All that he finds is scarcity, so you can’t have scarcity in heaven because whatever you have is definitely an understanding of perfect oneness, that we mentioned earlier. Within the condition of perfect oneness, you’ve the whole thing, so you can’t have scarcity in case you have everything. You additionally can’t have death when you’ve got perfect oneness. It’ not until you will find the split from that perfect oneness that you just create opposites and also the chance for a contrary your, which is death, and the chance of an opposite to abundance, which is scarcity.
So everything you’re seeing is based on duality. This is why it says within the book of Genesis, you will not eat from your tree of data of excellent and evil, for the entire day you take in of it, you will die. Well good and evil are opposites, and once you have opposites, you could have death. You can’t have death its keep no opposites though, which explains why ACIM says right in it’s introduction, the opposite of affection is fear, what is all encompassing, which is obviously God, may have no opposite. Just what exactly we want to do is get back to a place high isn’t such thing as opposites, its keep is not any death or scarcity. That is the concept of going home that Jesus is trying to show from the prodigal son story. Eventually the prodigal son realized he had developed a mistake, that’s that he had left, which usually the one decision he’d to generate would have been to go back home, that they did. You find and in that story, the prodigal son has several strange ideas about himself. He thinks he’s guilty, and has ideas that he’s committed a sin against his father, and isn’t worthy to be called God’s on. So according to him, well maybe only return home I’m able to start at the end and work my high as one of His servants and get back in his good graces. What the prodigal son doesn’t seem to comprehend is that God doesn’t share any sexual ideas about him.
The two Bible and ACIM say God is great love, so if perfect love in fact is perfect love, then everything God know how to do is love. If he knew the best way to be angry, wrathful or judgmental, then it wouldn’t be perfect love. What ACIM does is give to us a God that really is ideal love and many types of that God wants is good for us to come home. All of those other ideas, since the Course puts it, are the own nightmare and do not exist. So in this sense, it really is a dream of guilt and separation that we are having. The theory would be to undo that over the means of forgiveness that you see people being this perfect spirit, as your unconscious mind knows everything, and something of the items it knows is that there is really one of us. So whatever you think of another person, it is not heading out to them, it’ll you. Your unconscious mind will interpret that it is a message from you, for you, contributing to you, as it is aware that there is only one among us.
There’s a vital law with the mind that is articulated in A Course In Miracles that’s simple, but true. It says, “As the thing is that him, you will observe yourself”, so whatever you’re considering another person is really just likely to you. It will see how you’re feeling about yourself and ultimately what you consider you are. You’ll be able to think that you are a body and that you’re separate, or believe you’re this perfect spirit which is exactly the same as God. Based on the Course, system is the activating agent of spirit which is tips on how to actually improve your experience of life, from a condition of depression to a state of happiness. You gradually make room on the connection with being spirit.
The ironic thing is that you could still need your life. You won’t need to give anything up, you’ll still live a standard life and also have a good time. If you meet someone and fall madly in love, and want to marry, go for it. I recently get wed myself recently. Whatever is at front of your respective face will likely be for just one of two purposes. You can judge it, or forgive it. There’ll be occasions when it’s not necessary to forgive anything. The main focus of ACIM isn’t on forgiving romantic a uses the beach or music or art. The target of the Course is on forgiving the negative emotions which come up.
The Course also says that anger is not justified. It won’t state that you may never get angry, I can just about promise that you’ll. It will state that it is rarely justified and the sooner that you remember that, the less you’ll suffer. The reason that anger isn’t justified is simply because that which you are seeing is often a projection that is certainly received from you. You are one that made it up and hang those individuals there, you wished these to be there. That may seem hard to believe to start with, but that is precisely what it suited you. The guilt you felt over separating from God is viewed as being outside you, instead of within you. Which is the whole purpose of projection. A psychologist would explain how whatever is denied, has to be projected. Well what we’re looking at inside the universe of your energy and space is really something that is symbolic of separation, but it is using a massive metaphysical denial ahead of time began, right before what were the top Bang from the universe of your energy and space.
There are this stuff that certain ego felt very guilty about, and how that that ego thought it might remove that guilt was to deny it. Once it absolutely was denied, it had been projected outwards and that’s in which the projection is arriving from. Just how house is to undo the projection, which once more means that the program claims that salvation is undoing. So by undoing it, eventually that have of separation disappears. You come on the connection with perfect oneness then you are enlightened, and because the Course puts it, some time will come when you’re scheduled to see of here. So you’ll lay one’s body aside for your final time, and because there is absolutely no ego, there’s no cause of you to revisit. So that perfect oneness with God gets a prominent experience for you personally, whenever you lay one’s body aside for the final some time to simply go back home. Then this experience of perfect oneness becomes your permanent reality.
TIS: Phew. I’ve read your books, and listened to your audiobooks numerous times, that is certainly still much to ingest. You will find there’s deep truth that resonates personally though when you speak however.
GR: Yeah, this course says a great deal, but you’ll find that everything the Course says, all fits together, sort of as being a hologram.
GR: You might say that this course will give you two complete and mutually exclusive thought systems. There is a thought system with the Holy Spirit, that is information on love and forgives, and actually becoming love yourself in your experience, and in what way you appear at others, that will naturally cause you treating others with love. Then you’ve the ego thought system, which is all about judgment and condemnation. The Course says it is possible to only do 1 of 2 things. It says, “He who not forgive, must judge, for she must justify his failure to forgive”. So if you feel not planning to forgive someone, then you’ve got to create up an entire story about why they aren’t value your forgiveness, and yes it would take a shorter time just to forgive them.
One of many other pursuits I love regarding the Course would it be actually offers you a means home, a way using this mess. I’m not really saying you must not appreciate it if you are here, it’s only that the is temporary, it will not last. People think it is rather valuable, but wait, how valuable can something be if it’s temporary and it’s really not gonna last? The good thing you can use it for is always to learn and communicate, and share reality with people. The question is, how are things likely to make use of the time you’re here. A few times the program asks what is it for, regarding what you are seeing… what exactly is it for? Well, it’s for forgiveness because by forgiving, you undo the ego as well as your experience can change, and it’s a much better experience. It happens to be easier to be considered a spirit than the usual body. It’s safer to certainly be a butterfly than a caterpillar, it is a less restricted life form plus a good quality of life. It’s actually a win-win situation.
You can still have your lifetime and pretend that you are a doctor, or a racecar driver, or do what I truly do, and pretend you might be a spiritual teacher and go across the world and talk to people. My teachers Arten and Pursah explained that no matter what I do, my real job is forgiveness and the rest is just a cover job. The forgiveness opportunities arrive up for folks, and they are available in many different forms. The Course states that the right lesson is obviously till you, though this can be seldom recognized. So it will be no mystery the pain you are likely to forgive, that’s whatever is appropriate looking at your face. These are the lessons that this Holy Spirit wants that you learn, and forgive.
It isn’t always fun since this is a whole lot of duality. You’re going to have both fun times and bad while you are here. There isn’t any escaping that as this is quantity of opposites. So there will be times where you need to forgive, and occasions when you won’t, as you’re enjoying themselves and can just “celebrate” since the Course says. ACIM is really a happy type of spirituality. It covers the happy dream and as being a happy learner. One of several ten characteristics of the teacher of God is joy. Which means this isn’t a suffering, morose kind of spirituality. It’s not a religion. ACIM is often a self-study course. It’s done between your Holy Spirit otherwise you and Jesus, or whatever you wish to think of it as. Jesus will be the teacher within the Course. He speaks in first person and it’s really clear rrt had been provided by him. Very first a cheerful type of spirituality, and that it’s changing exactly how people glance at the historical Jesus.
I’m pleased to notice that nowadays that when you decide to go into Unity Churches, or perhaps you visit to my place, there exists a drawings and paintings of Jesus, and he’s laughing and smiling, and that is the way he really was. He wasn’t some suffering, unhappy guy. He a sense of humor and the man was married to Mary Magdalene. He had normal relationships, and friends and they partied whenever they wanted too. They’d check out a wedding celebration that may last 3 weeks because which is the way things were in the past. I believe you have a better take a look at what life was like in the period Jesus lived by reading that old Testament, more than you are doing reading the newest Testament because it is precisely what it really was like. You read things like Solomon and it is pretty racy stuff. There are many sexual things mentioned. The stuff about being puritans and goody two shoes came after Jesus. This didn’t have something to apply what life was like when he was walking around. All of that was developed up with the church given that they wanted make-up a religion and they did.
What it’s all about of Jesus got completely lost and turned into its opposite, which is a message of suffering and sacrifice, and that’s not what he was about in any respect. He was about get rid of suffering and sacrifice. Possibly the best illustration would be the fact he couldn’t feel any pain after his life. As ACIM puts it, the guiltless mind cannot suffer, and Jesus’ mind was completely healed from the Holy Spirit, so he had no guilt in the mind, which meant that he couldn’t suffer, that also meant that he couldn’t feel any pain. So this whole indisputable fact that somehow he suffered and sacrificed himself for sins is not about him. It’s actually a constructed theology by the apostle Paul. The truth is, it’s Paul’s theology, this is the foundation of Christianity. It’s not based on the teachings of Jesus.
Here you have a Jesus who could forgive anybody, even when they were killing him, but nowadays there is an “Christians” who can’t forgive those who have done nothing to them? There’s a contradiction here. It’s a convoluted form of Jesus. I do think a primary reason my books, and ACIM do very well, and that we think continually, because Course will likely be around for a thousand years, is really because after the day it feels right. It’s actually a complete thought system. All of it fits together and it is depending on love and forgiveness.
In the event you look at some of the old Greek texts, right from the start of Christianity, they accustomed to say (concerning the early Christians), “you’ll know them by their love”. The original concise explaination the term “repent” in Greek is about a change of mind. It isn’t really about taking care of your act on how much the entire world. This really is on the level of your brain leading to a difference of mind. Which was the main idea, because they did get a few of what Jesus was saying at the time. ACIM is all done with the amount of the mind, because that is the a higher level cause, along with the world is just the effect. That’s not me proclaiming that you can’t get it, and enjoy it, but following the day it’s really a temporary experience.
It’s exactly what the Buddhist’s call impermanence, also, since it’s impermanent and temporary, you can not find any permanent satisfaction or happiness there. It’s really easy to find permanent happiness in changing your physical appearance in the world though, which again means that this course says, “seek not to customize the world, seek rather to change your mind concerning the world”. And if you accomplish you will be managing the level of cause instead of the effect, that’s very important.
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